Ath. O my dear Cleinias, I, like yourself, have late in life heardwith clarisonic outlet online amazement of our ignorance in these matters; to me we appear tobe more like clarisonic brush heads pigs than men, and I am quite ashamed, not only ofmyself, but of all Hellenes.
Cle. About what? Say, Stranger, what you mean.
Ath. I will; or rather I will show you my meaning by a question, anddo you please to answer me: You know, I suppose, what length is?
Ath. And what breadth is?
Cle. To be sure.
Ath. And you know that these are two distinct things, and that thereis a third thing called depth?
Cle. Of course.
Ath. And do not all these seem to you to be commensurable withthemselves?
Ath. That is to say, length is naturally commensurable withlength, and breadth with breadth, and depth in like manner with depth?
Ath. But if some things are commensurable and others whollyincommensurable, and you think that all things are commensurable, whatis your position in regard to them?
Cle. Clearly, far from good.
Ath. Concerning length and breadth when compared with depth, orbreadth when and length when compared with one another, are not allthe Hellenes agreed that these are commensurable with one in some way?
Cle. Quite true.
Ath. But if they are absolutely incommensurable, and yet all of usregard them as commensurable, have we not reason to be ashamed ofour compatriots; and might we not say to them:-O ye best ofHellenes, is not this one of the things of which we were saying thatnot to know them is disgraceful, and of which to have a bare knowledgeonly is no great distinction?
Ath. And there are other things akin to these, in which there springup other errors of the same family.
Cle. What are they?
Ath. The natures of commensurable and incommensurable quantitiesin their relation to one another. A man who is good for a thingought to be able, when he thinks, to distinguish them; and differentpersons should compete with one another in asking questions, whichwill be a fair, better and more graceful way of passing their timethan the old man's game of draughts.
Cle. I dare say; and these pastimes are not so very unlike a game ofdraughts.
Ath. And these, as I maintain, Cleinias, are the studies which ouryouth ought to learn, for they are innocent and not difficult; thelearning of them will be an amusement, and they will benefit thestate. If anyone is of another mind, let him say what he has to say.
Ath. Then if these studies are such as we maintain we will includethem; if not, they shall be excluded.